Thursday, September 11, 2008

Another Perspective

A majority of my favorite homeschooling, mothering, keeping-sober-at-home blogs have posted their firm views against Governor Palin being elected to the vice presidency, and all the conservative political ones post their firm support.

Which makes this perspective an interesting one, at least. It's not so much perspective as it is a report, but it's definitely not in either of the above camps.

The Sunday AM celebrations have been just worship, with some intercessory prayer, but no preaching or teaching. This morning after an extended time of worship, Dutch Sheets, our pastor, shared an exhortation, as he called it.

I believe you are aware that Dutch was used by the Lord to call prayer before the 2000 Bush election that was so close. He said this morning that this election is perhaps even more critical than 2000, because of the Supreme Court. If the right political posture is not elected, we stand to lose decades of progress and the repurcussions are enormous.

Last year Chuck Pierce and Greg Hood prophesied that in 2008 we are not electing a president, but the vice president. Dutch said he could get no release in his heart to back Huckaby. even though pressured by many in the body of Christ. Huckaby is a good man and a strong believer, but he was not God's choice at this time.

Dutch also told us that he knows a man who gave McCain a prophetic word, that McCain had made a vow to God when he was at the bottom during his POW days, and now God was calling in that vow. McCain was visibly moved by this word.

Dutch was traveling to Texas on Friday, and when he landed in the airport, his wife called and told him to get to the TV asap. He watched McCain introduce Governor Palin, and said he began to weep, even though he knew nothing about her. (we have had reports of many others including Newt Gingrich).

He asked what the significance of this 44-year-old woman was, and he saw the clock said 4:44. He asked the Lord what that was, and the Lord said, "Ezekiel 44:4." "He brought me by way of the north gate to the front of the temple; so I looked, and behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house of the LORD; and I fell on my face. NKJV North gate, representing Alaska.

A few years ago Dutch and Chuck Pierce went on a 50-state tour prophesying over the state their part in God's purposes for the U. S.

At the meeting in Texas that evening Dutch was relaying his experience about the Governor to Chuck, who said, "Do you remember what the word was the Lord gave us for Alaska ?" The Lord had shown them that Alaska is the alpha and omega state. It is the place where things begin and end.

You may realize that some of the Alaskan islands are on the other side of the Dateline, meaning that the day begins and ends in Alaska. The Lord said that Alaska is a gateway for the Ancient of Days to come into the nation. The Lord told Dutch (back in Alaska ) to tell the people of Alaska to look forward into their destiny. (Is this the DESTINY referenced in the circulating video clip from the Wasilla ASG, insinuating a prior prophecy?) Alaska has an assignment to open doors and a place where prophets and intercessors were trained. It turns out that the Governor, who was raised in a Pentecostal Church, according to our newspaper, founded the prayer movement in Alaska .

We will be having the last of our 90 days beginning in a major gathering Sept 11th. The significance of this is that Chuck Pierce had prophesied that there would be 7 years of war and Sept 11 marks the end of that time and the entering of the 8th year. Someone said that 44 = 4+4 or 8.

Dutch asked why he and Chuck were in Texas for this announcement, and the Lord reminded him that the word for Texas was that it is a prophetic state - that the Lord's purpose for Texas is this prophetic function.

Dutch then decreed that she will enter the White House. Now, if you don't know him, he is a very cautious man, has his feet firmly on the ground, and never goes off "half cocked" when it comes to prophecy. He said that he believes, as of Friday, the U. S. has come into a new level of alignment with the Lord and His purposes.

By the way, the Governor will be the 44th Vice President. He continued to declare that she will be the Margaret Thatcher of America, including that she would be President one day. Many other things came forth.

I believe we especially need to rally prayer for the family and children of the Governor. They will be targeted by the enemy and I believe we need special prayer for the oldest daughter. Please take this seriously in your prayers.

Any thoughts?

UPDATE: this from, found when I googled this guy:

There has been an email circulating with quotes from Pastor Dutch regarding Senator McCain and Governor Palin. This was NOT an email sent by Pastor Dutch. Someone took notes during a Sunday service and sent out this email. There are several inaccuracies within its content that warrant this statement.The comment about Sarah Palin starting the prayer movement in Alaska is incorrect. She did not start the prayer movement, however, she is a woman of prayer. Pastor Dutch did not state that she is Pentecostal; the media has published that.The comments regarding the vow made by Senator McCain while a POW are not correct. Pastor Dutch was told that someone sent Mr. McCain a letter that was prophetic in nature and asked if he had made promises to God while a POW. It was very personal in nature and his response was not disclosed.Lastly, the statement about Sarah Palin being the 44th Vice President is wrong. If elected into office, Governor Palin would be in the 44th administration but would be the 47th vice president.


MamaJ said...

Hmmmm, I don't quite understand what this person was saying. Maybe this goofy hurricane has rattled my brain... Is this guy saying he prophesied Sarah Palin would be in the White House? The whole 4:44 thing is a little skeptical as well. I would really like to know where in the Bible they found the God-breathed word that, "The Lord said that Alaska is a gateway for the Ancient of Days to come into the nation." I don't see Alaska mentioned in my Bible, maybe I should keep looking.
When you look at the Dutch Sheets website, you see that his wife is listed as a "pastor" with him. So, it makes sense they would be backing a woman in a church or government leadership role... It seems like everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon & say they saw it coming, and it's going to be such a big improvement for America. Thanks for passing along another tidbit of information!

EllaJac said...

MamaJ, I don't want to sound like I understand it all completely either, but the first quote is apparently from someone 'taking notes' and reporting on what they understood the guy to have said. Then, of course, there is some clarification, apparently from Mr. Sheets or his people. I think the "4:44" seemed significant to the guy, and he inquired of the Lord, who showed him the verse in Ezekiel, which references the "north gate" - and he understands this (in this circumstance) to represent Alaska.

Again, I don't know this guy or his ministry at all, so I'm not trying to endorse or decry anything. However, I'd say I'm familiar with similar ministries, where God is understood to reveal and speak in real-time, so some of this may come across less "voo-doo bizzaro" to me than some. :)

As to the whole 'women in ministry/women in leadership' thing, I'm actually still quite skeptical of both sides. I have known many women in ministry and have often seen it very poorly done, or wrong somehow. However, I know of one or two that I cannot bring myself to say God is not thoroughly working through. "Women, keep silent in church" is always interpreted as not-literal, else we'd have churches making sure no women hiccuped or sneezed or dropped a pen. Some say it means women can't teach, or can't teach men. Some say the feminine is symbolic of our 'soulish' nature, and we are to be speaking (teaching?) through the Spirit, and not from our own (fallen) natures. Maybe it means more than one thing? I don't know. Can I stand up and say that Gov. Palin is blaspheming God's word? No way. Would *I* be, were I in her shoes? I don't know. I can't imagine taking on so much - God knows I have enough to keep me busy here and now. But again, Prov. 31 woman has a lot of help, as I assume Gov. Palin does. Me, I have to plant and weed my own garden. :)

In all, I mostly wish to sit back and watch. I don't want to get ahead of God, and find myself firmly where God isn't, solely because I adhere to one doctrine or another. Too, God's use of someone, or even gifting them, isn't necessarily an endorsement from Him, either.

EllaJac said...

Hm... I also meant to stick in there somewhere that it SEEMS to ME that most women would do best to 'keep-sober-at-home.' (and I don't mean that mockingly - quite the contrary). But just like Deborah, or Mrs. Prov 31, there seem to be exceptionalities. Women tend to be worse at mathematical/spacial skills than men. They tend to give directions via 'left/right' and landmarks - men are more prone to 'north-south-east-west' and distances. BUT - these don't always hold true. Right now, I hold a similar view of leadership/management for women. Most TEND to be geared better for the 'helpmeet' role (condoleeza rice, i.e.), but occasionally God seems to use (and maybe raise up?) exceptions. ... Just a thought...?

Meghann said...

I read this too through an email last week and thought it was interesting...though I still don't know where I stand on the whole issue? I had heard a teaching in the past that the reason God used Deborah in her day was because there was not a man who would do the job she would do (that would please God). I was wondering if that was true, and if this was Gods will for Palin to be where she is...maybe it was for that reason? Just a thought...

I'm enjoying your blog :)

EllaJac said...

Meghann, I've heard that teaching before as well, though (surprise surprise) I'm not sure I cling to that either. :) Seems to me that if God was ENTIRELY AGAINST women in leadership (like Deborah), He would've just abolished the whole judge thing then, instead of later. Again, I'm not trying to point one direction or another, just putting different views out there. I'm nothing if not non-commitedly controversial around here. :)